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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:24 pm 
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Oh and i forgot say about ring of sage. I didnt try itm but if ring's skill cd works on Berserk skill its very usefull. Ofc ring has less stats versus other rings in this topic but 2 cast bers skill is good for survival and damage too, imo.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:11 pm 
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CerealTriumph wrote:
Aesgeroth wrote:
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Nothing about Cape of Corrupt Flame, why?


(320) Cape of Corrupt Flame
Corrupt Crystal Fragment + Flame Cloak + Ancient Writings + Fragment of Corrupt Angel's Feather + Dark Wings
850 Strength
325 Agility and Intellect
12% Magic Resistance
Degeneration (Drains life)
Special Effect: Dealing single-target skill damage inflicts target with corrupt flame, dealing 15% additional damage over 3 seconds (effect stacks)


The special effect concerns single-target skill damage, of which the Berserker has absolutely zero.


The cape of corrupt flame does apply to passives so it's not absolutely zero, unless the berserker no longer does bleed damage (i think it's that one anyway). But you're correct in saying it's pretty worthless on berserker.


Right, right. I forgot about the bleed effect on the passive, I was thinking about the lifesteal and +strength/+damage. Too many passives...anyways, yeah, the point stands.


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Oh and i forgot say about ring of sage. I didnt try itm but if ring's skill cd works on Berserk skill its very usefull. Ofc ring has less stats versus other rings in this topic but 2 cast bers skill is good for survival and damage too, imo.


Eh, I'm still looking at this like an inferior Lifestone. I guess strictly speaking you could use it, but how could this possibly be considered an end-game ring for a Berserker?

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:57 pm 
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Aesgeroth wrote:
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But you're correct in saying it's pretty worthless on berserker.
Right, right. I forgot about the bleed effect on the passive, I was thinking about the lifesteal and +strength/+damage. Too many passives...anyways, yeah, the point stands.
It's not that worthless. Most of a berserker's dps (from normal attack) comes from bleed rather than normal attack. Therefore the corrupt flame is actually pretty good. Of course you got degeneration so it might not be the BEST wings but it definitely deserves a spot.
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Oh and i forgot say about ring of sage. I didnt try itm but if ring's skill cd works on Berserk skill its very usefull. Ofc ring has less stats versus other rings in this topic but 2 cast bers skill is good for survival and damage too, imo.


Eh, I'm still looking at this like an inferior Lifestone. I guess strictly speaking you could use it, but how could this possibly be considered an end-game ring for a Berserker?
Yes, ring of sage works. It's effective but I would find it better than lifestone. That's my opinion vs your opinion.

Since we have different opinions - that must mean this map is getting better since there's no one end-game item combination but multiple.
Try all the builds and find whether you like corrupt flame or some other wing or item etc. better.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:36 am 
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greenFruit wrote:
Cape of Corrupt Flame also applies to empowered attack on Berserk, which a lot of people agree to be main source of Berserker's damage (almost on par with her ultimate in terms of damage)


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:14 pm 
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You win. Ring of Sage and Cape of Corrupt Flame are added, but I don't have to be happy about it. Though that comment about empowered attacks on CoCF really changed my mind about it, I hadn't considered that detail, and without it the item would be garbage on Berserkers. The Ring of Sage is still...eh, but it's in there.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 5:52 am 
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Aesgeroth wrote:
Heliosf4Sun wrote:
Nothing about Cape of Corrupt Flame, why?


(320) Cape of Corrupt Flame
Corrupt Crystal Fragment + Flame Cloak + Ancient Writings + Fragment of Corrupt Angel's Feather + Dark Wings
850 Strength
325 Agility and Intellect
12% Magic Resistance
Degeneration (Drains life)
Special Effect: Dealing single-target skill damage inflicts target with corrupt flame, dealing 15% additional damage over 3 seconds (effect stacks)


To begin, the recipe itself is rather expensive and by far I would prefer to use that Corrupt Crystal Fragment for something else. The degeneration effect is doubly detrimental to Berserkers as it drains both their health and their effective mana pool (which happen to be the same), which means less opportunity to cast abilities and riskier tanking (riding the edge quicker/more often as it were). The special effect concerns single-target skill damage, of which the Berserker has absolutely zero. Q targets the ground and can hit multiple targets, W is an AoE roar, E is an AoE dash, R is a self buff, and F is an AoE nuke. Furthermore, your passives grant you lifesteal and increase your own strength/damage, meaning they also fail to deal single-target skill damage. In other words, the passive on the item is fully and 100% useless to you. Taking away the core of this item leaves you with a decent-good strength value, and a smallish degree of spell resist, which are infinitely improved upon by other items that don't kill you by wearing them. Find a new cloak.


Combine it with Rectus Potion, I have seen an awesome MA with it. The damage output might be worth experimenting and exploring for yourself.

EDIT: Apparently the potion has a better regen value then mostly any other regen item however it seems it wasn't noted, would like to get some info on that guys considering it lets you maintain the cape 24/7.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 2:15 pm 
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Tal wrote:

Combine it with Rectus Potion, I have seen an awesome MA with it. The damage output might be worth experimenting and exploring for yourself.

EDIT: Apparently the potion has a better regen value then mostly any other regen item however it seems it wasn't noted, would like to get some info on that guys considering it lets you maintain the cape 24/7.


Better than True Guardian Ring? D:


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 4:29 pm 
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Tal wrote:
Combine it with Rectus Potion, I have seen an awesome MA with it. The damage output might be worth experimenting and exploring for yourself.

For sure Corrupt Flames combines well with Potion of Corruption, but this is a guide for Berserkers. Martial Artist builds are irrelevant here.

Tal wrote:
EDIT: Apparently the potion has a better regen value then mostly any other regen item however it seems it wasn't noted, would like to get some info on that guys considering it lets you maintain the cape 24/7.

As with every other item possessing a passive of any sort, this map is the worst I've ever encountered for vagueness (justified, being translated and all). The regeneration provided by corrupt crystal shard, potion of corruption, the degeneration on corrupt flames, the damage of asmodeus' Chaos Strike is all unlisted. Without a view inside the map, I can't list the details of things that just aren't told to players. To that end, I can't compare every item in this guide extensively as I don't possess every item in this guide. All I can do is examine the stats listed and offer my views on whether they offer any value to the Berserker's specific playstyle.

Of course a regen item would work well with Corrupt Flames, that's the major downfall of the item. Addressing this concern makes it considerably more viable, not that having regen unhindered by health regen isn't also viable. It's just one of probably a hundred combinations you could make in your item build by now, limited as much by personal preference as it is by drop rates.

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Better than True Guardian Ring? D:

As I just mentioned, there is any number of combinations of builds you could form, where certain items might be more or less valuable depending. If you're asking if True Guardian Ring is superior to Potion of Corruption, it depends a lot on what one player desires in their build as much as what else you're wearing. If you have Frozen Heart wings on already, the magic resist on TGR is entirely going to waste, and as a result the Potion is likely much more practical. It's not a simple answer.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 4:42 pm 
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Aesgeroth wrote:
If you have Frozen Heart wings on already, the magic resist on TGR is entirely going to waste, and as a result the Potion is likely much more practical. It's not a simple answer.
Wrong. I'm sure I didn't misunderstand you (like last time, sorry). Magic resist does stack but multiplicatively (so there's diminishing returns - kind of like armor).
But yes, all the possible combination for items setups makes this map nice.

Oh and if you're going to put FN items on the list, you should add Flameshard armor


On a side note:
Aesgeroth wrote:
Martial Artist builds are irrelevant here.
He was mentioning it as an example to prove that the Potion was a great counter for degeneration. If he was explicitly talking about MA then it would be irrelevant.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 7:27 pm 
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knnisai wrote:
Tal wrote:

Combine it with Rectus Potion, I have seen an awesome MA with it. The damage output might be worth experimenting and exploring for yourself.

EDIT: Apparently the potion has a better regen value then mostly any other regen item however it seems it wasn't noted, would like to get some info on that guys considering it lets you maintain the cape 24/7.


Better than True Guardian Ring? D:



You'll need that info from greenFruit, though my opinion is yes.


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